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        IN SEARCH OF AZTLÁN 
        José Angel Gutiérrez Interview 
        August 8, 1999 
         
        Q: What does the word "Aztlán"mean? 
         
        A: To me its a dream. Its a vision. Its an extraordinary 
        goal that we pursued during the times of activism that I was involved 
        in. And its a search for mi corazon, because Aztlán is part 
        of us. Its that legacy of being dismembered as a homeland. The United 
        States came to us. We became a different citizen. But we never lost that 
        hope and that search and that vision for putting back together our homeland. 
         
         
        Q: Why was Aztlán so important in the sixties? 
         
        A: We took the concept of Aztlán--the myth the story the vision 
        the hope the search--and used it as a political goal. Our numbers [were] 
        not what they are today, but they were beginning to [be] in certain parts, 
        particularly south Texas, where Im from. And we built a political 
        party and a political program that said we were going to build Aztlán 
        here.  
        I worked in the Wintergarden area, in Crystal, Texas--or Tej-Aztlán 
        as we used to call it. We built an empowerment movement that took control 
        of our political and social and economic destiny. We built a political 
        party, El Partido La Raza Unida, and proceeded to become the governors, 
        established political sovereignty, creating Aztlán. People in seventeen 
        other states plus the District of Columbia, bought into that same vision 
        and goal and political agenda, and did the same thing in other places. 
        In California, in Cucamonga, in Parleer, in walkouts with the students, 
        in New Mexico, in Arizona, in Chicago--even in Washington D.C. All with 
        the goal of building Aztlán--a nation within this nation. 
         
         
        Q: Does the concept of Aztlán have anything to do with Mexico? 
         
        A: Aztlán is one half of the one Mexico that we need to build. 
        This is the Mexico on the other side, north of the Rio Grande, El Rio 
        Bravo. We have been dismembered since 1826 in Texas, and 1848 in the rest 
        of the Southwest. And then after 1853 in La Mesia, from Tucson to the 
        border of California. So the mission of Aztlán is to put back together 
        the original land where our ancestors came from. So our movement, then, 
        has everything to do with the Mexico that exists. And that is, to make 
        it bigger, to return it to its original homeland size. 
         
         
        Q: Given the sixties idea of Aztlán, is the resurfacing of the 
        maps that show an actual place that the Aztecs might have originated an 
        important event? 
         
        A: Finding the actual site of where Aztlán began and where those 
        prior ancestors were from would make the myth and the legend real. It 
        would be the ombligo; it would be the navel of where we are from. It would 
        give us all the reason for reclaiming and reestablishing ourselves and 
        asserting ourselves as the only ethnic group in America that has been 
        dismembered and who must have its people and its homeland all in one place 
        again. 
         
         
        Q: Anti-immigrant groups in the sixties and even now have spoken of radicals 
        taking over the Southwest. Many people equate the concept of Aztlán 
        with separatism. How, how do you respond to this? 
         
        A: Were the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. 
        We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States 
        came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, 
        in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right 
        to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they 
        like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives 
        or separatists, thats they're problem. This is our home, and this 
        is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone 
        else is a guest. 
         
         
        Q: How do you reconcile that with the fact that we're U.S. citizens, that 
        we dont have a nation in the traditional sense?  
         
        A: People don't have to like that fact that were searching for a 
        homeland and they probably wont. They will call us names. They will 
        attempt to say that we're un-American and subversive, but they left their 
        homelands and took ours. We want it back. 
         
         
        Q: What relevance does the concept of the Aztlán have for the year 
        2000 and beyond? Is it a practical concept? 
         
        A: Our numbers now are such that we are critical mass throughout the nation. 
        Depending on what state youre in, were on the verge of already 
        being a majority minority. In some places, a majority, and in years to 
        come, probably about one quarter of the entire United States population. 
        We will exercise our rights, which include political sovereignty. So Aztlán 
        will become a reality. It is not our fault that whites dont make 
        babies, and blacks are not growing in sufficient numbers, and theres 
        no other groups with such a goal to put their homeland back together again. 
        We do. Those numbers will make it possible. I believe that in the next 
        few years, we will see an irredentists movement, beyond assimilation, 
        beyond integration, beyond separatism, to putting Mexico back together 
        as one. That's irridentism. One Mexico, one nation. 
         
         
        Q: What would you envision this nation to be like? Are we going to be 
        bilingual? Is it going to be part of the United States? Will we be playing 
        electoral politics? What characteristics might Aztlán of the future 
        have? 
         
        A: This entire region, as it becomes more Mexican and Latino, will blur 
        the border. As it is, thats an antiquated concept. The border is 
        porous. It only exists for police purposes and security purposes. Ideas, 
        disease, commerce, even people cross that border regularly, legally, and 
        illegally. This whole region will become the new Meso-America once again. 
          
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